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    Default What the fuck is amoral realism?


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    Yes, I'm an idiot, but here are my circumstances:

    I have a paper due on Thursday which is centred around discussion of "The Prince" as an assertation of "amoral realism." Now, simply based taking the word at face value, I have some ideas, supported and/or countered by what I've consulted, but: I can't find a scholarly definition of amoral realism. In fact, I can't find any semi-specific definition of amoral realism. And indeed, the exact definition will have a major impact on my paper (for instance, depending on subtle changes in just the definitions I'm guessing at the statement that Machiavelli states that politics SHOULD have it's own rules aside from morality is relevent or not.)

    So anyone want to tell me where I can find a source for such a definition, or at least give me their precise definition? Thanks. Wikipedia has nothing, and in fact the term "amoral realism" only brings up 255 results in Google!


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    Default Re: What the fuck is amoral realism?

    Maybe realism without a conception of morality?

    Realism is the opposite anti-realism, which, if I remember correctly, asserts that there is no universal standard of reality. Of course, that was from watching a philosophy show three and a half years ago.

    Holy Wikipedia says:

    "Realism in philosophical thinking is the belief that properties, usually called Universals, exist independently of the things that manifest them."

    So it's sort of what I was thinking.

    "Amoral" refers to a lack of any moral system. It isn't the same as immoral (bad morality), but rather a complete absence of such a belief. Part of the system of relativism the secularists and postmodernists are pushing upon society.
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    Default Re: What the fuck is amoral realism?

    Immorality is when you know what society defines as moral, but choose to go against it.

    Amoral is when you don't have any concept of morality.

    I know what realism is, but unfortunately not in this context.
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    Default Re: What the fuck is amoral realism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ingrate
    Immorality is when you know what society defines as moral, but choose to go against it.

    Amoral is when you don't have any concept of morality.

    I know what realism is, but unfortunately not in this context.
    Well, amoral realism is not in this context refering to a belief that there are no universal morals, I think it's more to due with the concept of observing without reference to morality (perhaps reference to practicality and defined goals instead.) I am going to be fed x.x

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    Default Re: What the fuck is amoral realism?

    yeah, I have a paper due on the exact same topic and book. I was hoping you could help me out

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    Default Re: What the fuck is amoral realism?

    Ask the professor for a reading on and/or a definition of "amoral realism" (a reading would be best). It's a technical word- it could have a very specific meaning -and I don't want to make an educated guess that leads you down the wrong path.

    My specific problem is that I can understand the term from two academic contexts: political science/international relations & ethics. These are related but still contrasting perspectives. And that leads me to fret that the terms could have more technical uses.
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    Default Re: What the fuck is amoral realism?

    Are you in high school? As long as you're not doing a degree in philosophy I think you can proceed safely on the assumption that "amoral realism" means something like realpolitik. Which is:

    politics based on practical and material factors rather than on theoretical or ethical objectives
    So, the Prince doesn't rule according to the grace of God, he rules to the extent that he can maintain the support of the people (who may rise against him) and of the other nobles (Who covet his position and seek to usurp him). Instead of ruling according to naive ideals, his priority must be to maintain his good standing with these groups, regardless of the methods used (assasination of rivals, terror and intimidation etc). I don't know how much of that is actually in The Prince because I only read it once years ago and I've never studied it.

    Of course if you're actually at university then you probably should be worrying about the term's actual and precise definition and you should ask the person who set the assignment about it.

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    Default Re: What the fuck is amoral realism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Go! Rimbaud View Post
    Are you in high school?
    The OP is 24. I'm hoping for no.
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    We have the press for wafer;
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    All men, in law, are equals.
    Free of Peἰsistratus,
    We choose a knave or an eunuch
    To rule over us.

    O bright Apollo,
    τίν' άνδρα, τίν' ἥρωα, τίνα θεὸν,
    What god, man, or hero
    Shall I place a tin wreath upon!
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    Was spricht die tiefe Mitternacht?
    „Ich schlief, ich schlief —,
    „Aus tiefem Traum bin ich erwacht: —
    „Die Welt ist tief,
    „Und tiefer als der Tag gedacht.
    „Tief ist ihr Weh —,
    „Lust — tiefer noch als Herzeleid:
    „Weh spricht: Vergeh!
    „Doch alle Lust will Ewigkeit —,
    „—will tiefe, tiefe Ewigkeit!
    ~Friedrich Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Chapter 59, "The Second Dance-Song"

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